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- INTERVIEW WITH PERSONA NO GRATA / TRIDENT / THE NETHERLANDS
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-
- Give me a short description of who you are!
-
- - Hello everybody I'm Persona No Grata and doing mainly some PR-Stuff
- for TridenT. I keep in contact with other groups and distribute the
- new releases to other researchers/viruswriters. I'm a non-virus-
- writer, I only collect the stuff. As like all TridenT members I'm
- living in the Netherlands. I'm somewhere in the beginning of my
- twenties.
-
- From where did you get your handle, Persona No Grata?
-
- - Well I have been using several handles over the years (like many of
- the other TridenT members). I thought Persona No Grata is a nice
- name which means a person who is not welcome.
-
- When did you discovered the world of computers?
-
- - Well I started out on the C64 (years and years ago) after that I
- bought an Amiga 500 and I got a PC since 1991 now.
-
- How long have you been active in the scene?
-
- - In the virus scene? since the end of 1992, before that was in some
- C64 and amiga groups.
-
- What part(s) of the underground do you think needs improvements?
-
- - Dont think any part of the virus 'underground' has to improve. It's
- just that the european virusscene should be more active
-
- Have you been involved in any other group than Trident?
-
- - Not in any other virii-group, think no TridenT member has been in
- another virus-group. Because when TridenT started the contacts
- between virus writers werent that good, nowadays people get on the
- internet and start chatting on irc.
-
- Who started/created Trident?
-
- - John Tardy and Bit Addict started the group some years ago, think
- after that Masud Khafir joined etc.
-
- What's the groups goal?
-
- - The contact between the 'members' is just on a friendly bases, we
- dont have any bosses or people who think they are better than the
- rest. We dont push people to release virii every week/month. A
- TridenT virus only is released when it's good enough. We got stacks
- of experimental virusses which were never released and will never be.
-
- How many people are you?
-
- - It differs from time to time, handles come and go ;)
-
- What's their handles?
-
- - let's just stay with John Tardy, Masud Khafir, Bit Addict, Dark
- Helmet, Crom-Cruach and DarkRay.
-
- Do all of them program, if not, what's the others job?
-
- - All of us program, just some of us dont use their ablitities to
- make virii.
-
- Who are the "leading/head-persons" in the group?
-
- - We dont have any leading persons. We dont need it and there never
- will be any one who is bossing people around. TridenT members are
- free to come and go.
-
- How is Trident (currently) organzied?
-
- - It's not organized in any way... We used to have our own TridenT
- mail-network but we are currently taking it easy :(
-
- Can anyone ask for membership, or are you a "private" group?
-
- - I get this question more often then normally. Well we like to stay
- all dutch. But if a person is really good w'll consider it.
-
- What responses have you had about TPE?
-
- - If you say TridenT, 8 of 10 people say TPE (maybe because Masud
- named it TridenT Polymorphic Engine?).
-
- Even thought polymorphic engine's are a great thing, not many
- people seems to use them? You have any theorie why they don't?
-
- - Oh well people use them allright I think.
-
- Have you ever thought of/are you currently releasing some sort of
- electronic magazine (text/executable/hard-copy)?
-
- - We've had several discussions about that, but we even couldnt agree
- on the name, we thought of TridenTial and when we finally agreed on
- it, we couldnt agree wether to put sources in it or not... One day
- we (John Tardy in a drunk mood) started typing text but when we woke
- up the next morning we sobered and putted it on disk somewhere (where
- it probably still is).
-
- Are you into other things such as hacking and phreaking aswell, or
- just viruses?
-
- - I think I'm the only one in TridenT who is doing hacking/Phreaking
- although I cant do it as frequent as I like to do it. :((
-
- Which is the best way of contacting you?
-
- People can contact me on NuKE-Net.
-
- Can you name a few viruses that Trident has written?
- has written?
-
- - Well just take patricia's vsum and search for all Origin: The
- Netherlands think 95% of it is made by TridenT..
-
- Do you have any sort of company or law-enforcement who are trying
- to hunt Trident down?
-
- - Probably the CRI who has got a special division called Computer Crime
- (Computer Criminaliteit (Dutch)).
-
- If so, are they a real threat or just "childish"?
-
- - Well I think it's 'childish' but it could be a real threat to TridenT
- however.
-
- Have you ever had any trouble in the group with the result of kicked
- member(s)?
-
- - Nope, we only gave members warnings when they did something 'stupid'
- but that's mutual I think ;-)
-
- How good are Trident comparing to other groups (P/S & NuKE?)
-
- - Well NuKE isnt active anymore, and most of the virii they released
- suck. (though NuKE has some good programmers). Phalcon/Skism has
- made nice virii and I also like their magazine (40hex is the best
- around) and the guys are always around on the internet.
-
- Do you call out aloth, and if so how?
-
- - I call out sometimes, but mosttimes to the internet. In the
- Netherlands there are only a few good boards so.
-
- Do you have any couriers that spread your products around?
-
- - Nope, I only send it via the internet and that's it.
-
- What do you think about the laws against h/p/v that has arrived
- lately?
-
- - It sucks and there are still a lot of 'holes' in it. It's not clearly
- written and we just have to wait till there is a test-case so we
- really know what and how.. (not-implementing anything here ;-))
-
- What do you think about various news-papers thinking us as nerds?
-
- - I dont read news-papers ;-)
-
- Do you see any differences between the scene now and a couple of
- years ago (concerning the underground part ofcause)?
-
- - The scene is more open than a couple of years ago. Contacts between
- other virus writers was difficult.
-
- Which virus-magazine do you think is the best avalible now-a-days?
-
- - 40hex (can get it at several internet sites).
-
- Which virus-group/programmer do you admire/like?
-
- - I dont admire any of them. Liking is another word.
- (on a friendly bases).
-
- Which country do you think is the best virus-writing today?
-
- - Probably the usa,because most of them hang out there (ofcoz the
- country is big etc).
-
- What do you think about these virus generators, such as VCL or PS-MPC?
-
- - I like the idea, not the people using it. Every dickhead can create a
- 'virus' nowadays.
-
- What do you think about the people using them?
-
- - It's good for virii collectors (cause they can say they got 5000+
- virii on line) but that's about it. I dont like people uploading
- files to boards like 'newgame.zip' with in it some virii.
-
- What do you think about people bragging over (almost) nothing
- and ragging with other groups aswell?
-
- - Keeps the scene lively.
-
- What do you think about such individes as board-crashers?
-
- - Get a life.
-
- Describe the perfect virus :
-
- - A virus which uses several techniques and tricks all scanners on
- the market.
-
- Describe the perfect viruscoder :
-
- - 16 year old geeks, drinking beer and smoking pot. ??? well dunno
- really
-
- Describe the AV-community with a few lines :
-
- - Monopoly dudes thinking they are so damn good and better as the rest.
-
- Which AV-program do think is the best, and why?
-
- - f-prot together with tbav.
-
- What do you think about the underground's future?
-
- - As you see, magazines and groups come and go, I've seen 14 year old
- kids who start programming and like to create virii. The last years
- the virus business has been booming several new virii come out each
- day.
-
- Do you know/heard of any new technics coming in the near future?
-
- - nope
-
- Any advice to people who want's to learn the basic of virus-writing?
-
- - Well if you got internet access join the #virus channel on irc. Get
- ahold on 40hex that's pretty much about it.
-
- Something else you wish to say?
-
- - Just continue releasing the Insane Reality magazine, I hope it comes
- out as frequent as the Crypt Magazine ;-)
-
- Do you wish to send any greets?
-
- - well first of all greets to all Immortal Riot dudes.
- * Metal Militia and the Flash.
- * All TridenT members (also the ones which didnt cooperate on the
- interview, well probably because I didnt ask them?) hehe
- * Garbage Heap (P/S), when will the next issue be released. Hopefully
- the Mirror Virus Source code by Bit Addict/TridenT will be in it.
- * Urnst Kouch (Crypt Magazine). The magazine is great and is the only
- one which keeps comming out on a regular basis. Nice going.
- * Savage Beast/NuKE Coordinator Europe. You probably got the disks at
- the time you read this ?
- * Azrael/NuKE Coordinator South America. You need a dictionairy (hehe
- Just kidding). Also greets to your friend Murdock.
- * Maddog/NaTe call me more frequent will you.
- * Coaxial Karma/NPC did InterMail work out okay? Too bad about the OD.
- * CryptKeeper (P/S) Hopes everything works out okay for you.
- * Macaroni Ted & Jaywalker/A.N.O.I. Come on start working again guys.
- * Doctor Revenge (NuKE Italy) Nice going dude.
- * Kohntark thx for the preview. Is the official one finished?
- * Hellraiser (P/S) Long time no see on the net?
- * Memory Lapse (P/S) Will send you my allfiles.
- * Zerial for being a pain in the ass
- * Kevin Martinez for being a cool dude. Talk to you later.
- * Sigma One thx again dude